at one point if you remember, the president was hoping he could get a debt ceiling deal tied to the fiscal cliff negotiation. that didn't happen. the republicans gave up that negotiation. but they're hoping that the debt ceiling raising will give them the leverage that they need to get what they want when it comes to spending cuts. the president hopes though that he can by delegitimizing this idea of having the debt ceiling as a debate, have them have no leverage going into the deficit-cutting discussion or at least a lot less leverage. >> bill: the other big topic, the only other topic actually raised at the news conference yesterday other than whether or not you elect a party, president likes to have a party. was the issue of guns where the president was not specific because he hasn't seen -- or wasn't ready to list all of the recommendations that may have come out of the biden task force. but the president did express and repeat his resolve to do something about this issue of gun violence. no doubt about that, was there? >> no. while he put off getting into the details a little bit, he